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Grover Norquist
President, Americans for Tax Relief
Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform and leader of a weekly strategy session for prominent conservative activists, has argued for years that high taxes, not government spending, are what excites the electorate. He sat down with National Journal reporters on Feb. 1 to air his views on the growth of the Tea Party anti-spending movement, as well as the politics of budget deficits and the recent Supreme Court ruling broadening the rules for corporate financing of political campaigns.
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Edited excerpts follow. Check tomorrow's issue of National Journal for more from the Norquist interview.
NJ: Were you surprised at the growth of the Tea Party movement and its hostility to the size of government?
Norquist: My concern was, maybe we could get people concerned about the January 2011 tax increases [that will occur when the Bush tax cuts expire] in 2010, but that's still a stretch. So I thought we were going to have to go out there and organize and talk and work -- and then when taxes are raised, that's when you go for a 1994 [Republican takeover of Congress] in reaction to taxes, but not in reaction to spending.What happened was, in April, three to four months into the Obama presidency, in reaction to [the Troubled Asset Relief Program], to the bailout of General Motors, to $787 billion in stimulus, the independent voters switched from being unhappy about Iraq, and voting against [George W.] Bush and [John] McCain, to being unhappy about spending too much.
There has been this traditional view that independents are somehow centrists and they are in the middle between the Republicans and the Democrats, and if the Ds would just move into the center more, they could pick them up. What you actually have is nonaligned independent voters that are not moderates -- they are not aligned. They look up and every election is Groundhog Day, every election is a new one. Independent voters vote on one issue one year and on another issue another year, and the spending issue was contrary to what I thought would happen.
Three people guessed wrong: I guessed wrong. President Obama guessed wrong. [Sen. Arlen] Specter guessed wrong -- and the guy who paid for it first was Specter.
NJ: Has the Republican Party been open enough to the Tea Partiers?
Norquist: If you were a business, you'd say, "New people, new business, great." But that's not how the [state] parties look at it. They ask, "Who are these new people?"
NJ: What about the Citizens United case -- do you think that small businesses will take advantage of it?
Norquist: AT&T isn't going to write checks to people for office. Grocery stores, people who sell tires, they are going to write corporate checks to beat people in campaigns. The small-business community is more pissed than anyone else. And that is where this town hall stuff comes from. The Tea Party guys are previously nonpolitical small-business guys.
NJ: What about the business groups?
Norquist: I don't think [political advertising will come from] groups; it will be from businesses directly. The large businesses donate to the chamber of commerce in order not to pick a fight with the administration.
NJ: Is this decision a game-changer, as the president said?
Norquist: I think it can be a game-changer. AT&T doesn't skirt the rules because they are lawyered up and terrified. I think the big companies will be very slow [to change]. Nobody wants to put the first toe in the water. The smaller companies will, though.
NJ: Does greater interest by conservatives in deficits and the size of government change the balance of economic and social interests in the conservative movement?
Norquist: The Tea Party movement, when you talk to their leaders, they say, we just do economics. We don't do other stuff. I was concerned that the anti-immigrant people would try to hijack the Tea Party movement, and they have tried. Not succeeded to date. This isn't some entity you can throw a harness over and drive and tell what to do.This is a movement that blew up in a reaction to spending and threatened tax increases. It will highlight the importance and unity within the center-right of economic issues. You saw that in Massachusetts, where everybody, including the social-conservative groups, were supporting [Scott] Brown, who is pro-choice but not for federal funding and is for civil unions.


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